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hi everyone welcome to skid Walker

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debrief

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I'm your host TJ Allard and I'm one of

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the executive producers of the TV series

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on History Channel called the secret of

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skinwalker ranch and I'm joined each

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week by Jason McClellan and marine

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Ellsbury and together we'll dissect each

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episode of the series to give you more

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insight into the show now since season 1

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is over and there's not relationship

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talk about we'll continue the discussion

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of all things related to seeing Walker

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ranch and today for the first time on

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the podcast we're joined by the owner of

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skinwalker ranch

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brynne and fugle Brandon thank you so

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much for making the time man trisha eyer

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it's a pleasure to be with you and thank

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you for your support of our

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groundbreaking hit series on history a

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very exciting year and it has been quite

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a journey to this point so it's it's a

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privilege to join all of you and look

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forward to answering any questions you

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have regarding the series our our

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ongoing investigation and and really

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everything that you wish to know

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Walker ranch great I don't know this is

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the first time you're you know meeting

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Jason and Maureen right I don't know if

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you guys never met before as you're

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meeting you I've had fun watching your

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podcasts with or your your debriefs with

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dragon and Winterton I I saw part of the

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one with Uncle Jim Morse but it's it

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great to join with you today I am joined

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by the original animatronic head from

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Terminator 2 this one is the the one

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from the opening sequence of t2 that the

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famed late prop master special effects

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whis wizard Stan Winston actually pretty

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much for James Cameron and I yes you may

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know I collect movie props and a number

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of other things of intro no brainer what

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are you working on though are you

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looking to be done something these days

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I remember

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last time I think you were you were

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looking at no it wasn't the terminator

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jacket because I think you had already

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had that but there was another jacket

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maybe Indiana Jones was it doesn't you

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were looking at yeah is Indiana Jones

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and you know I I want I want to somehow

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track down the kurgan sword from

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Highlander that's that's what I'm hoping

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for I mean I've you know I I see online

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on occasion there there are comments

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from people who who will take different

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screen grabs from the show and they see

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in the background of my downtown office

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I'm right now broadcasting from my

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suburban office but my downtown office

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has on the Shelf one of the Hellraiser

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puzzle boxes it said the limb the lament

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configuration box and it's actually

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signed by Doug Bradley the the actor who

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played pinhead in that horror series by

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Clive Barker but it's you can see it up

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on the shelf I don't know if you've seen

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online people will comment anything how

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many Hellraiser puzzle boxes does fugle

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have and in next to that is the original

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samurai sword that was wielded by Tom

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Cruise in The Last Samurai in that last

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epic battle it's his special-effects

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katana that sits there along with the

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original FBI badges for you know agent

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Fox Mulder and Dana Scully so I love

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collecting pieces of pop culture history

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and it it's a pleasure being with you

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today and love joining with with you and

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your enthusiasm for the new series and

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what we're doing at a skinwalker ranch I

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mean just as much as it's about the

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series you know people are interested in

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you in particular I mean obviously

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because you're opened you know open this

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up to everyone and I think one of the

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first things I think you and I had

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talked about when this was all getting

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started was that you know this is giving

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other people a chance to experience

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something that they they wouldn't and

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you see that coming from you know a lot

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of the comments you

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see online like people are you know

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thank you thank you for sharing the

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journey thank you for you know opening

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the you know opening this up to us and I

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think that was something that in the

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beginning you kind of you know we're

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we're looking forward to like he wanted

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to share the journey you didn't just

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want to keep all the information and

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hoard it to yourself I mean I think we

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had these discussions early on and I

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always thought that was great that you

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really wanted to share what you were

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doing as opposed to you know being very

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secretive and no this is mine no this is

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everyone's is I think something you I've

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always seen my ownership of skinwalker

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ranch as a stewardship it's a special

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stewardship and you know being able to

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inform the public of our investigation

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and and really to be able to reveal the

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the the absolute truth behind the

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phenomena that were that we're recording

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that we're observing on the ranch there

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is a reality to what we have experienced

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on the ranch that we we have really

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enjoyed sharing with the public I mean

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the ranch you've got a 512 acre piece of

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property that is to the most

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scientifically studied paranormal

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hotspot arguably on the planet and with

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that and all the the various events that

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happen on that property you have

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liability issues you can't just open

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something like this up to the public as

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much as it is it would be nice I think

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it would compromise not only the

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scientific integrity of our

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investigation but also you know it opens

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us up to liability people get hurt we've

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had some real unfortunate incident where

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a number of our team members have ended

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up you know going to the hospital with

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injuries that for this day baffle the

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attendant completion and the medical

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professionals that have advised on on

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their cases and and so we we take you

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know the the injuries that have been

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sustained on the ranch and really the

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the nature of what we're observing and

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experiencing on the ranch very seriously

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you probably saw in the first episode as

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as we

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or did dr. Travis Taylor after the

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wrench in the helicopter

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my brother Cameron who is who is a

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full-time pilot and runs our baby

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interest I mean Cameron offered a prayer

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or for protection as they were entering

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the airspace and that was not staged

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that is something that happens

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yay did that every time every time I

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went up when we did that exactly I mean

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that is your show that's not part of

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some act we we truly enter the ranch

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with a degree of humility and reverence

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every visit and it's it's because we're

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dealing with forces that frankly we

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don't understand and that are both

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malevolent and benevolent I don't think

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that it's all negative I think we're

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seeing a whole diversity phenomena out

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at the property absolutely and I think

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what he had said something about like

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you know might as well power up or like

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you know armor up or something like that

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you know if you're gonna go into

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something they hey whatever you can use

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yeah take it it's important to armor arm

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yourself and to prepare I think you need

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to prepare spiritually as well as

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physically when you enter a place like

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this sure and we definitely don't need

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like a Jurassic Park of the paranormal

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and no I think too in people who know

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and have research the ranch prior

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obviously there was a direct shift I

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think Jason can allude to this as well

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where you know we know George and Jeremy

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Korbel George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel

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personally as well and when all of a

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sudden Jeremy was like hey you know I've

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got access to create this documentary on

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the ranch and that was a huge shift

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because it had been quiet for so long

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because after the mid Sara and then

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Bigelow you know not being as

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forthcoming then all of a sudden we were

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being shared information about new stuff

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happening and that was obviously super

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fascinating for people that research it

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so I think that's where - you're getting

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that level of people saying hey you're

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being so transparent thank you for

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sharing the information and we agree on

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that as well it's

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it's been like a sort of a peek inside

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outside of a window into something

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that's blocked off for a long time no

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it's it's it's been an honor to share

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this experience with the public and

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you're right for decades I mean since

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1996 this property has been under

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constant surveillance and has

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essentially been locked down and for a

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period of time during the previous

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ownership era it was of course part of a

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Pentagon funded black budget program

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that to this day is is is really

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classified in nature and you know we we

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have yet to you know uncover at least

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the the data from those years but I I

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frankly believe that what we're

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recording and observing with our team

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actually surpasses anything that was

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observed asked and if you talk to mr.

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Bigelow's you know previous science

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advisors and his team they all confirm

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the same that what we're observing on

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the ranch and what we're actually

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recording is now surpassing that which

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in large part they had had been able to

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really document before I it's it's no

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secret that the phenomena at the ranch

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is elusive its transient in nature and

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that it's unpredictable which which

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really creates some frustration from a

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scientific perspective to not have the

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ability to repeat or to see repeatable

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results that are easily characterized or

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quantified it's it it presents a bit of

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a challenge and we're trying to overcome

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those challenges in in trying to to

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really employ scientific rigor and

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discipline with what we're what we're

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conducting I mean in it it seems to be

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working

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I mean people are definitely taking an

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interest in the you know the stuff that

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we've seen on television so far it's

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really opening people's eyes and kind of

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like wow this is not BS like there's

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actually something going on here so

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you've taken it out of the realm of a

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science fiction in in books you know

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just words on a page and now you're

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actually seeing it with not just one

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piece of data but multiple you know

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multiple pieces of data in multiple

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angles where there's multiple cameras or

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cameras and some other measurement

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device like you're seeing things have

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never been shown before so this is kind

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of it is like Maureen said it's a shift

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baffled by some of the criticism I feel

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like in the first 15 minutes of episode

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one we revealed more than the totality

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of 20 years previous and I it's a little

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following kind of our presentation of

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not only recent evidence but also a

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pretty thorough review of what had come

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before and to you know to still not pass

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muster with a lot of people and then

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yesterday's a little discouraging and we

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hope to we hope to continue informing

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the public and allowing everyone on the

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journey this Jason worrying have a lot

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more experience with that than I do and

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so you you guys can both speak to this

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the idea of you know even though

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everything you're seeing it's it's more

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than it's been revealed before obviously

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there's gonna be criticism but is this

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this is kind of a thing that happens

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right I mean you're never gonna you know

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please everyone in the especially in

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this community is that pretty safe to

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say yes they're these are people that

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are sitting and only watching TV they're

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possibly not doing any hard research

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they're just you know going on on social

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media and interacting with other people

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who are watching the show that may not

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necessarily have a background so what

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they're seeing is seeing things like you

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know talking about the the pillar of

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light in the sky and then that's not

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addressed again on the show so in their

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mind you just gave up on that that line

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of research which is not the case

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because behind the scenes stuff is going

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on all the time so there's it's

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virtually it's not it yeah

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the television format is very

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challenging you know there is no perfect

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medium in my opinion to be able to

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disseminate this information and to

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really inform the public it's it's

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either too much science or they're not

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entertained enough or they feel like I

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mean for example you know people are

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people are very critical of the season

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finale saying well well that was just a

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big recap as episode all you did was

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recap I'm like well no [\h__\h] Sherlock I

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mean of course it was what we felt like

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you know in order to properly summarize

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the events of the season and and the

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events that occurred over a three-month

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period we felt like it was it was

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appropriate and necessary to be able to

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go back and reflect on the experiences

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of the team and and really look at the

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cumulative evidence and the cumulative

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experiences that were had on the

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property in order to I think be able to

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not only you know chart the course

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forward but also properly assess the

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data and the problem set so it I

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understand I really do understand the

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criticism and and I wish that there was

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a better way a better format that could

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please everyone and you know all we can

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do is try our best to improve and and

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and you learn from the past and try to

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cliffhanger or something super exciting

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and then season 2 didn't happen it would

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have been awkward well I think you're

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right and I think a lot of people don't

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realize I mean I had two conditions when

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I entered into the deal with the History

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Channel in A&E Network number one

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everything had to be true nothing could

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be fabricated or contrived it had to be

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absolute truth or nothing I did not want

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to be part of some effort that that that

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would ever be questioned as far as its

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integrity and number two was I insisted

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on using our team the individuals that

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I have built relationships of trust with

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going back decades and you know the the

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actual people who've been working on the

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ranch and engaged with me as the primary

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core team since April of 2016 and you

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know none of these people have been part

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of any television effort I mean with the

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exception of dr. Taylor who has really

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brought in as an outsider to really

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challenge the team and to help us push

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the investigation forward I mean

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everyone profiled has come into this

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with no acting experience no television

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experience and this was truly a totally

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unscripted effort I mean I I didn't even

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have notes when it came to my interviews

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and the background that I was providing

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that was interspersed with the episodes

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I was just kind of shooting from the hip

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and trying to get my honest opinion and

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assessment of what we were facing on the

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ranch and the history associated with it

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and you know what what what appeared on

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television was about as authentic and

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Rahma and and transparent as could be

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hoped for with of course you know the

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the dramatic music and and whatnot they

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add for for editing and for us it is

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television you have to make it

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interesting you know you have to make it

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entertaining as well as it's just

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interesting I mean it's you know what

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the flavor to it yeah I mean TJ that

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they did add I mean you have to add

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certain thematic cues to help the

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audience you know to propel the the

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narrative and in in none of that is

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inappropriate I mean as far as I mean

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the score or the the music that

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accompanied the the investigation in the

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series I think it was appropriate a

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little of a little bit dramatic overly

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Connecticut times and I didn't really

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control that but I have to give a lot of

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credit and in the quads to the the folks

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at Prometheus I mean this is this is an

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unprecedented effort I mean are you guys

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aware of another series like this I mean

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eight hours of television regarding a

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place like this that was actually part

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of a bonafide

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government fund

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black-budget project it has a history

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these type of phenomena I mean III I

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don't think that anything has come

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before that that even yeah would be

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comparable and I I'll be surprised if

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anyone can come up with anything in the

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future that would actually match what

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we've been attempting to bring to the

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public in the warm secrets in Walker

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Ranch as far as I know there's nothing

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else out there even remotely close to

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enough Jason Maureen would you guys know

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this like what do you know like is there

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something else that you would say that

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is comparable or is this kind of uh is

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is it is it an unprecedented thing right

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now well as we've discussed before I

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mean this is a unique situation with

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this paranormal hotspot that has this

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rich history that has you know for lack

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of a better word a fan base you know a

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group of people who have been familiar

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with the stories of the ranch and and

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the lore of the the region for a long

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time and as you mentioned from the start

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there was closed gates put up there by

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you know previous efforts to do

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investigations on the ranch and now all

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of a sudden we have open gates we we

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have that peer through the window and

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it's being televised so this doesn't

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really happen before certainly in the

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genre so it's it's a you know really

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appealing for people who have known the

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story and for new people learning about

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the ranch for the first time and as you

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mentioned there's no way that you can

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please everybody you're not going to be

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able to do that and I don't think you

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should really ever try to please

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everybody because that's not the focus

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here the focus is getting at the truth

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and I think that's that's what you're

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doing and you mentioned there's no

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perfect medium but you know you have

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alluded to you and mention before the

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the web portal that that you guys are

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rolling out would you would you be able

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to provide more details about that yeah

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we are in the process in fact I've seen

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the beta version of that that has been

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in development and we you know we're

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actually going to be unveiling a web

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portal that will actually publish and

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present more detail relative to the

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ongoing investigation the historical

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investigation and background and and I

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think provide a forum for people to to

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not only review a deeper level of

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content but also interact on a

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peer-reviewed basis and be able to

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analyze a lot of the the photo images

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the video the video that we've captured

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of UFO phenomena on the property and and

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other anomalies that I think bear

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further investigation I I've always

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believed that a collaborative effort

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that involves a lot of diversity of

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talented people more eyes on this will

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help us I think better understand the

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nature of it and better I think

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I think separate the signal from the

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noise I used that kind of reference

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often when I look at and try to try to

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explain what we're doing at skinwalker

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ranch and I think you know the the

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process of investigation really involves

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really separating that signal from the

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noise and being able to extract the real

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truth the real substantive data and and

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and that which frankly rises above the

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prosaic or the the more mundane this is

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the the one time that I've had to

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specify the word portal because I

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brought this up I think last episode and

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then realized people are gonna think I

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need a portal over the ranch so I had to

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specify this web portal but I'm and I

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know a lot of people yeah a lot of

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people are curious about this right

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before the the premiere episode of the

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show you did a livestream from the ranch

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is the portal gonna have things like

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that associated with it as well

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yes we have the capability to be able to

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provide some live stream I mean we're

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going to I mean were again we're going

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through a learning process right now and

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you know it's a it's a process not in

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the

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hey you know to bring all online at once

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it it's a bit of a task and you know a

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lot of people don't recognize that the

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events that happened as depicted on the

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show and shown where last year I mean

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you know I was getting calls about the

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infamous alpaca incident as if literally

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we were out beginning with that last

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night and I was like wait sorry we we

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were dealing with that challenge a year

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ago I mean that was and that was a long

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time ago and I think getting all of that

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archival material and being able to

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present that and post it in a in a

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user-friendly way that is need to

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navigate will be part of the trick in in

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the publishing the right web portal and

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I think I think it'll it'll give people

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a a deeper understanding of what we've

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accomplished with the show with the

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investigation as shown on the History

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Channel and I think I think you know

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being able to share the journey and

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especially like this way now that this

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show is in production or between seasons

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we're gonna say being able to

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continuously update people through a

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portal or through podcast or through

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social media presence I think that

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you're gonna continue to keep that

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connection in the momentum going and

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it's just going to generate more

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interest and more interest and the

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contributions that people are going to

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make and what's a portal goes up and

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people can get their hands on the data

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it's gonna be pretty amazing you things

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are gonna come out of it that wouldn't

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even think of yeah and hopes are right

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again we're doing this in a

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collaborative fashion int in service to

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the truth I mean I you know a lot of

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people say yeah yeah a lot of people

546
00:24:42,749 --> 00:24:40,690
will ask me you know what is my agenda

547
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:42,759
what was I trying to accomplish by

548
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,369
acquiring the ranch from mr. Bigelow and

549
00:24:52,379 --> 00:24:48,159
really it was a search for truth it was

550
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:52,389
it was the potential of having a living

551
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,970
laboratory that could that could prove

552
00:25:01,880 --> 00:24:57,059
that we're not alone in the universe and

553
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:01,890
to be able to present the results

554
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:05,280
of that investigation and being able to

555
00:25:11,030 --> 00:25:08,820
to present that to the general public I

556
00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:11,040
think is important again it's part of

557
00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:14,790
the stewardship involved with with

558
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:16,680
owning the ranch and I think we all

559
00:25:22,850 --> 00:25:19,050
share in that journey we all share in

560
00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:22,860
that that that stewardship and I look at

561
00:25:28,370 --> 00:25:24,990
my team members as partners and

562
00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:28,380
collaborators I mean TJ I see you as a

563
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:30,800
partner of course I mean focus of the

564
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:34,200
court TJ spent a year begging to get an

565
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:37,650
organ I wouldn't even respond to a text

566
00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:39,960
message let alone agree to a meeting

567
00:25:45,170 --> 00:25:42,750
because I had no interest in really

568
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:45,180
engaging in this fashion and and really

569
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:48,590
opening up you know

570
00:25:53,540 --> 00:25:51,390
therefore for a televised effort I I

571
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:53,550
wasn't quite sure what would be

572
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:55,170
appropriate and I felt like it was

573
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:57,210
important that we continue to focus on

574
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:01,380
more observational science but but you

575
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:03,450
know I was eventually convinced that

576
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,250
this that this could prove quite quite

577
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,980
useful and in what people have to

578
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,440
understand is you stuck to your initial

579
00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:15,900
idea of the way you wanted to do it it

580
00:26:19,850 --> 00:26:18,540
was you were going to bend or change

581
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,860
anything that you were doing for

582
00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,480
television this was happening with or

583
00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:23,820
without a TV crew and that's you know

584
00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:24,990
I've tried to make it really clear to

585
00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:27,510
people and this why this was a plug in

586
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:30,120
play event so they were doing it

587
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:32,370
regardless if television was happening

588
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:34,380
Brandon had this plan already in motion

589
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:36,330
and it was like oh you know the

590
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:37,590
network's like wait I can just come in

591
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:38,760
plug cameras in and this is just

592
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:41,130
happening yeah well yeah what's

593
00:26:47,030 --> 00:26:44,670
happening the ranch doesn't exist

594
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:47,040
because of the Dane television program I

595
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,490
mean that the second that the that the

596
00:26:54,770 --> 00:26:52,080
cameras stopped rolling the

597
00:26:57,530 --> 00:26:54,780
investigation just continued and and has

598
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,540
continued unabated ever since I don't

599
00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:00,360
think I don't think people realized that

600
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:02,670
I mean even this past week were were

601
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:04,860
recording strange phenomena we've had

602
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:08,730
all sorts of experiences you know on the

603
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:12,480
ranch that continue to not only I think

604
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:14,070
teach up

605
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:18,390
what is that work but also I think open

606
00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:21,530
up new doors of understanding and also

607
00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:24,390
new avenues that we can explore in the

608
00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:26,190
future that will hopefully end up being

609
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:31,560
recorded and and ultimately presented to

610
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,260
the audience well speaking of the

611
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:37,140
audience so I have to say this this week

612
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:39,810
has been nuts online we have gotten more

613
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:42,930
questions for you I mean you know I I'm

614
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:44,730
gonna hurt dragons feelings Ragan he

615
00:27:49,780 --> 00:27:48,000
just buried you man the requests or

616
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:49,790
questions for Brandon were just crazy

617
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:52,830
and I think it's well it's the first

618
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:54,870
time you know you're on but it's like I

619
00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:56,490
had a little book the two of you like

620
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:59,130
Jason marine I mean I've just seen a

621
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,990
response that seems to be announced he

622
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:03,240
was coming on it was it was you know

623
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:07,980
bananas I know you guys great great

624
00:28:12,140 --> 00:28:10,110
response this week and I mean since

625
00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:12,150
since we started this show people have

626
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:14,520
been asking us to have a conversation

627
00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:17,220
with Brandon for sure I mean people who

628
00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:18,660
are interested in the ranch want to hear

629
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:21,150
from the person who is behind the ranch

630
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:24,840
so it it's understandable well bring it

631
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:28,860
on yes it's emotions ask me anything I

632
00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:30,990
have nothing to hide and I'm anxious to

633
00:28:36,770 --> 00:28:33,630
tan store any question and shed further

634
00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:36,780
light on what what we're doing very cool

635
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:38,070
so we usually you know we'll get some

636
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:40,050
through email something Facebook and

637
00:28:45,380 --> 00:28:43,260
some through Twitter and typically um

638
00:28:48,290 --> 00:28:45,390
Marino's take start off with the email

639
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:48,300
ones so kind of been going so Laureen uh

640
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:50,220
why don't you start with those and we'll

641
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:54,290
just move from there so we have Janine

642
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:56,850
on email asked is there any research

643
00:29:01,460 --> 00:28:59,100
being done with the county or the town

644
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,470
records regarding permit of what could

645
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,720
possibly be buried on the land or

646
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:06,120
interviews done with prior owners of the

647
00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:08,430
land before the schurmans to see if they

648
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:10,800
could shed any light on if there is

649
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:12,570
something buried on the property since

650
00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:14,730
there was stipulation there could be no

651
00:29:20,270 --> 00:29:18,060
digging on the property or even use deep

652
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:20,280
penetrating metal detectors to determine

653
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:23,370
or ground-penetrating radar I think

654
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:25,650
would be the option to determine if the

655
00:29:33,490 --> 00:29:27,860
thing in the ground is metal

656
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:33,500
uh okay there's a lot there yeah so one

657
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:35,809
of the one of my highest priorities the

658
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:38,570
week that I closed on the property was

659
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:40,970
really to start documenting the history

660
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:44,450
of the property and go back to all of

661
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:47,420
the decades predating the sale of the

662
00:29:53,049 --> 00:29:49,880
property to the Sherman's and ultimately

663
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,059
to mr. Bigelow I wanted to understand

664
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:56,480
the historical context and and and

665
00:30:04,299 --> 00:29:58,970
really get to the bottom of whether the

666
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,309
the the reports started with Sherman or

667
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:06,710
whether there were strange events that

668
00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:09,710
preceded their occupation on the

669
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,460
property and so one of the things that I

670
00:30:17,289 --> 00:30:15,919
trusted Jim Morse with was really

671
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:17,299
reaching out to the community and

672
00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:19,790
meeting with all of the neighbors the

673
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:21,500
owners of the neighboring properties and

674
00:30:28,299 --> 00:30:25,040
seeking out those whose families

675
00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:28,309
actually resided on the ranch as the

676
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:31,580
original homesteaders I wanted to really

677
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:33,770
get to the bottom of whether they had

678
00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:35,500
experienced anything historically

679
00:30:41,020 --> 00:30:37,640
regarding the property and what their

680
00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:41,030
feelings were and experiences what kind

681
00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:44,030
of historical records are available that

682
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:46,580
that would help shed some light on this

683
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:51,710
very unique piece of property and and so

684
00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:54,230
you know with that you know we have

685
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:56,360
pulled together an incredible historic

686
00:31:01,930 --> 00:30:58,730
record I mean we we've gone all the way

687
00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:01,940
back to for example the 1930s as far as

688
00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:04,940
verifying reports involving strange

689
00:31:11,890 --> 00:31:08,590
cattle mutilations for example that that

690
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:11,900
that were actually recorded by the Locke

691
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:15,110
family who actually resided in Homestead

692
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:19,730
3 you know their heirs have have

693
00:31:25,150 --> 00:31:22,910
actually met with us and reported on the

694
00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:25,160
family history and have been willing to

695
00:31:29,860 --> 00:31:27,830
go on record regarding not only the

696
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:29,870
cattle mutilation phenomenon going back

697
00:31:34,919 --> 00:31:32,630
to the 30s for whatever reason on this

698
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:34,929
property but also other high strangeness

699
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:39,020
we've we've we have others that that

700
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,270
have you know firsthand

701
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:43,760
you know the decades following even the

702
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:48,370
1980s I with a very very credible

703
00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:53,090
respected gentleman who who actually had

704
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:56,140
an experience on the property in 1982

705
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:01,190
that that he and his best friend had and

706
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,190
that to this day you know is shaking

707
00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:06,320
them and the fact that they do not want

708
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:08,030
to go public with their identities

709
00:32:11,050 --> 00:32:09,530
they're willing to go on record and

710
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:11,060
they're willing to sign affidavits or

711
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:13,730
whatever relative to the reality of what

712
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:15,740
they experienced on the property but so

713
00:32:21,550 --> 00:32:18,410
many people are hesitant to come forward

714
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:21,560
simply because they've seen what has

715
00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:23,330
happened with the Sherman family and the

716
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:25,790
notoriety and in potential harassment

717
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:28,910
that people have experienced that have a

718
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:32,360
have a past or a tie historically to the

719
00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:33,920
property and a lot of people just want

720
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,020
to be left alone they don't want the

721
00:32:40,930 --> 00:32:38,480
controversy and frankly they don't want

722
00:32:43,540 --> 00:32:40,940
their name their names associated with

723
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:43,550
these topics as much as they're willing

724
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:46,310
to go on record to say look privately

725
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:48,920
confidentially you know these things are

726
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:51,590
real you know we've experienced these

727
00:32:56,410 --> 00:32:53,810
things on the property you know a lot of

728
00:32:58,930 --> 00:32:56,420
people do not want the the fame or the

729
00:33:00,700 --> 00:32:58,940
attention the notoriety that would come

730
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:00,710
from that and we respect that

731
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:04,070
confidentiality we respect that you know

732
00:33:07,870 --> 00:33:06,200
that request which has been made by a

733
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:07,880
number of people and then you have jr

734
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:12,140
hicks joseph jr yet who who passed away

735
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:14,810
this week you know right before i mean

736
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:18,170
two weeks before his 93rd birthday you

737
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:20,990
know jr. Hicks's is recognized by

738
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:23,090
everyone as really the resident

739
00:33:28,780 --> 00:33:25,850
historian of the Uintah Basin who has

740
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:28,790
spent you know over seventy years of his

741
00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:32,000
life documenting strange phenomena you

742
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:33,830
know not only UFO sightings in the

743
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:37,700
basement but also other activity and you

744
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:40,760
know hid his work obviously you know

745
00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:42,770
became a part of a book called the you

746
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:46,040
owe the Utah UFO display that was

747
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:48,380
actually penned by dr. Frank salisbirk

748
00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:51,710
who's also passed on but you know you

749
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:53,870
look at jr. Hicks

750
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:57,710
and you know his his history and his

751
00:34:03,280 --> 00:33:59,570
background relative the property I mean

752
00:34:06,220 --> 00:34:03,290
we have hours of interview footage with

753
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,230
junior Hicks I mean TJ at the

754
00:34:10,990 --> 00:34:08,000
opportunity to be there for a lot of

755
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:11,000
that and to have that historical record

756
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:15,710
and his his remembered property it it's

757
00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:18,200
really a very special part of the

758
00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:20,780
historical record right and I want to

759
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:23,020
clarify with everyone there are numerous

760
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:26,389
first-hand accounts that predates the

761
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:31,960
Sherman's that verify and validate that

762
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:35,540
the UFO phenomena related to the ranch

763
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:37,850
and the surrounding properties along

764
00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:40,370
with the other high strangeness is not

765
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:43,070
something new and is not something that

766
00:34:49,169 --> 00:34:46,010
was fabricated or brought on by Sherman

767
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:49,179
or the Bigelow it knew that they

768
00:34:55,930 --> 00:34:52,730
inherited it's something that they they

769
00:34:58,270 --> 00:34:55,940
ended up grappling with and I I have

770
00:35:01,060 --> 00:34:58,280
great respect for the previous ownership

771
00:35:02,830 --> 00:35:01,070
of the property and and what they had to

772
00:35:06,490 --> 00:35:02,840
contend with because it's something that

773
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:06,500
my team has had to deal with I mean it

774
00:35:12,030 --> 00:35:09,710
not just injuries you know that people

775
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,040
to the hospital but also you know

776
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:14,000
equipment malfunctions

777
00:35:21,580 --> 00:35:19,310
mean people often people often ask

778
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:21,590
online on Twitter they say well how are

779
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:23,330
you able to record the television show

780
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:25,700
if this confident battery drainage and

781
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,850
the equipment malfunctions how are you

782
00:35:33,310 --> 00:35:30,800
able to get all of those beautiful drone

783
00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:33,320
you know shots and and be able to

784
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:34,820
actually document this and that the

785
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:37,480
truth is you know we lost footage

786
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:40,610
constantly while trying to document what

787
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:43,100
was happening with the team equipment

788
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:46,370
malfunction camera failures even just

789
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:49,070
missing missing footage altogether that

790
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:51,970
was deleted from the the hard drives

791
00:35:59,350 --> 00:35:55,490
associated with the the show it just

792
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,360
become it became a just a common theme

793
00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:01,760
at first I think it caught everyone off

794
00:36:06,220 --> 00:36:04,220
guard I mean all of the the production

795
00:36:07,660 --> 00:36:06,230
people who came in from California

796
00:36:10,270 --> 00:36:07,670
primarily I

797
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:10,280
you know most of them would would what I

798
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:12,049
think verified that they were skeptics

799
00:36:15,849 --> 00:36:13,220
they didn't believe that there was

800
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:15,859
really any validity to to what was being

801
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:17,210
claimed and they were out there to do a

802
00:36:23,260 --> 00:36:21,049
job and to follow the team and to to

803
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,270
create you know to create a television

804
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:26,000
program and I think I would be surprised

805
00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:29,000
if there's anyone who served on that

806
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:31,460
property who are part of the production

807
00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:36,079
team that left aged epic the left saying

808
00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:38,150
that there was nothing going on I think

809
00:36:44,289 --> 00:36:41,510
everyone universally experienced strange

810
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:44,299
phenomena and and had things that really

811
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,180
shook what the you know their view of

812
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:49,520
reality or their view of the world and I

813
00:36:54,849 --> 00:36:51,770
think you know changing everyone's

814
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:54,859
worldview to a degree is is is part and

815
00:37:00,849 --> 00:36:58,089
parcel of a ranch experience if you will

816
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:00,859
yeah I know a lot of your team has

817
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:03,049
shared that with us over previous

818
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:05,480
episodes that their views on life have

819
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:07,369
drastically changed since being on the

820
00:37:12,250 --> 00:37:10,609
ranch and and you know we had Jim Morse

821
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,260
kind of covered a little bit about this

822
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:14,240
on one of our interviews that

823
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:17,390
whitefeather is asking with knowing the

824
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:22,130
history between the original battle of

825
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:23,930
the curse sort of the two tribes of the

826
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:27,440
youths and the navajo whether anyone has

827
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,569
gotten the Chiefs together for a healing

828
00:37:34,539 --> 00:37:31,359
circle on the ranch

829
00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:34,549
that's a good question we we haven't

830
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,500
been able to pull together the Chiefs

831
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:39,200
but we have brought a number of Native

832
00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:41,630
American spiritual advisors to the

833
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:42,380
property

834
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,730
I mean recognized shaman or spiritual

835
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:49,280
advisors that that are both that are

836
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,049
both with the you tribe and the Navajo

837
00:37:57,849 --> 00:37:53,839
tribe that have actually spent time with

838
00:38:01,329 --> 00:37:57,859
the team that have counseled with with

839
00:38:04,210 --> 00:38:01,339
the team with Jim and Dragan and Thomas

840
00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:04,220
Winterton and you know dr. Taylor and

841
00:38:07,749 --> 00:38:05,000
Jim Cigala

842
00:38:12,279 --> 00:38:07,759
and I think

843
00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:12,289
I think showing a reverence for what

844
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:16,039
they actually perceived to be happening

845
00:38:21,849 --> 00:38:19,099
on the property and in the surrounding

846
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:21,859
area is an important part of I think our

847
00:38:24,969 --> 00:38:23,630
ownership and our stewardship of the

848
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:24,979
property I mean we're dealing with

849
00:38:33,819 --> 00:38:29,209
forces that that are that are truly

850
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:33,829
unknown and elusive and and I think you

851
00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:38,630
know counseling with people that come at

852
00:38:42,969 --> 00:38:41,329
this problem set that approached the

853
00:38:44,709 --> 00:38:42,979
ranch from a different perspective I

854
00:38:46,839 --> 00:38:44,719
think there's a there's a spiritual

855
00:38:48,969 --> 00:38:46,849
aspect of the property there's there's

856
00:38:50,919 --> 00:38:48,979
the consciousness studies there are

857
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:50,929
consciousness studies associated with

858
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:53,689
the property that the people wish to it

859
00:39:00,669 --> 00:38:55,279
to explore and I think all of that has

860
00:39:03,219 --> 00:39:00,679
some validity absolutely all right well

861
00:39:04,989 --> 00:39:03,229
you've also and I appreciate that as

862
00:39:06,549 --> 00:39:04,999
well because I think it's an important

863
00:39:10,289 --> 00:39:06,559
part of the ranches history like you

864
00:39:12,969 --> 00:39:10,299
said one more question from email and

865
00:39:16,089 --> 00:39:12,979
you know you've mentioned that a lot of

866
00:39:17,649 --> 00:39:16,099
people want to stay sort of in the dark

867
00:39:19,659 --> 00:39:17,659
and not have their identities revealed

868
00:39:21,579 --> 00:39:19,669
and and you know for a while you were

869
00:39:24,549 --> 00:39:21,589
doing the same thing where where you

870
00:39:27,309 --> 00:39:24,559
didn't want your name out there so we

871
00:39:29,889 --> 00:39:27,319
have Ryan asks now that you know you've

872
00:39:31,569 --> 00:39:29,899
come out and revealed yourself as the

873
00:39:34,089 --> 00:39:31,579
owner how do your family and friends

874
00:39:38,139 --> 00:39:34,099
support or reject your life's choices

875
00:39:41,139 --> 00:39:38,149
to pursue this ongoing mystery no good

876
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:41,149
question I I think you know for the most

877
00:39:48,009 --> 00:39:45,529
part it has been supportive I think it

878
00:39:50,589 --> 00:39:48,019
remains to be seen I was very concerned

879
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:50,599
I mean I went almost four years with not

880
00:39:56,799 --> 00:39:53,169
revealing my identity I wanted to keep

881
00:40:00,659 --> 00:39:56,809
you know my my identity is the owner of

882
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:00,669
the property private and confidential

883
00:40:07,329 --> 00:40:04,130
indefinitely to be honest I didn't have

884
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:07,339
any intention when I started the

885
00:40:13,449 --> 00:40:09,169
discussion with the History Channel and

886
00:40:15,819 --> 00:40:13,459
the producers you know I really I really

887
00:40:18,819 --> 00:40:15,829
wanted to stay out of the limelight and

888
00:40:20,469 --> 00:40:18,829
and frankly felt like the team should be

889
00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:20,479
front and center and that it wasn't

890
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:21,070
really net

891
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:24,970
Cerie for me to to really to go public I

892
00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:28,300
also didn't want my involvement with the

893
00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:31,180
ranch to compromise my professional

894
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:34,870
activities I I you know I I have a

895
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:37,870
responsibility to my clients to the

896
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:40,260
communities that I serve and to my firm

897
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:43,420
to really focus my energies and my

898
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:49,090
efforts on on those those projects and I

899
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:51,040
take that responsibility very seriously

900
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:54,210
and I didn't want my interest and

901
00:41:02,190 --> 00:40:58,170
ownership of this property to in any way

902
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:02,200
distract or compromise those efforts and

903
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:05,710
I'm you know so far so good I mean a lot

904
00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:07,330
of people I think would be surprised to

905
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:08,860
know that the the ranch really only

906
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:12,070
comprises maybe five percent of my focus

907
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:14,440
or my attention ninety-five percent of

908
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:17,230
my attention remains really focused on

909
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:19,720
my commercial real estate enterprise and

910
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:22,090
other business interests it's not that

911
00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:24,520
the ranch isn't important it's just you

912
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,780
know I have other commitments and

913
00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:28,480
priorities that that frankly take

914
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:33,390
precedent and are our higher most days

915
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:36,480
right that's it for email questions

916
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:39,070
Jason yeah for sure so this first

917
00:41:44,310 --> 00:41:41,170
question from Twitter comes from Brian

918
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:44,320
and this relates to a story that you

919
00:41:48,060 --> 00:41:46,330
shared a couple different times and it

920
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:48,070
was covered on the the TV show as well

921
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:50,530
and it relates to George so the question

922
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:53,050
is does George have any residual effects

923
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:55,090
from his being unable to move for 10

924
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:59,170
minutes that day huh he did following

925
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:01,240
his visit the the day following his

926
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:05,110
visit to the ranch he was he was in the

927
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:08,110
hospital and very ill or at least three

928
00:42:13,590 --> 00:42:11,980
weeks and and and it was a mysterious

929
00:42:16,770 --> 00:42:13,600
illness it wasn't something that they

930
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:16,780
were able to actually diagnose it wasn't

931
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:20,290
the flu but it actually put him flat on

932
00:42:29,610 --> 00:42:26,190
his back and and and really rendered him

933
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:29,620
really a you know very very ill

934
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:31,690
bedridden for a period of weeks

935
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:33,340
following his

936
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:35,410
his business to the ranch she was there

937
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:38,830
as security as as really the security

938
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:41,230
detail accompanying a guest or a

939
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:44,170
dignitary that we allowed access to the

940
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:48,430
property at that time and yeah I haven't

941
00:42:54,510 --> 00:42:52,000
spoken or communicated with George for a

942
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:54,520
couple of years since that incident

943
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:55,900
since their visit

944
00:43:02,340 --> 00:42:59,680
we really haven't kept in touch but it

945
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,350
was very real and it had a real impact

946
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:04,240
it was funny I think it's important to

947
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:06,040
note and this is something that hasn't

948
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:10,960
come out in the past you know George and

949
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:17,310
others that visited that day were fitted

950
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:20,290
they did not come expecting to see

951
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:23,290
anything unusual in fact I remember

952
00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:26,170
asking them the morning of their visit I

953
00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:27,820
said did you know so what do you think

954
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:30,340
of the UFO phenomena do you believe in

955
00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:32,380
any of this stuff and you know several

956
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:34,420
of them said absolutely not we're just

957
00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:38,590
here out of respect to to this gentleman

958
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,360
that we're accompanying and you know we

959
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:42,400
look forward to being safe and and

960
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,380
having a productive day and it was funny

961
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:46,000
at that time I had never had an

962
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,190
experience you know I had never seen a

963
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:50,920
UFO or a ghost or anything of a

964
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:53,230
supernatural or paranormal nature and I

965
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,870
I chuckled and shared their skepticism I

966
00:44:00,810 --> 00:43:57,760
said well I I've never seen with my own

967
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:00,820
eyes anything that would that would you

968
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:02,920
know validate these things you know I I

969
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:05,530
have an open mind but you know I haven't

970
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,110
had my own compelling experience and

971
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:10,000
that's the way that we started that

972
00:44:15,810 --> 00:44:13,980
fateful day all right

973
00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:15,820
here's a question I know you've been

974
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:18,220
asked a few times but it's a it's a fun

975
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:19,810
one I like asking it and hope that

976
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:22,450
something else slips out but Ryan asks

977
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,940
it can Brandon comment at all about what

978
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:27,010
he and Robert Bigelow talked about when

979
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:31,030
he handed over the keys well it's a good

980
00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:35,590
question you know I I had one very you

981
00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:38,320
know primary visit with mr. Bigelow the

982
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:41,320
one visit initially that preceded my

983
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:43,030
acquisition of the property I had never

984
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:45,160
seen the property in fact I almost

985
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:46,740
really acquired the prop

986
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:48,690
pretty sight unseen I had inspected it I

987
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:51,230
think maybe what three days before

988
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:55,280
actually closing on the acquisition

989
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:58,980
movies start acquiring property without

990
00:45:04,070 --> 00:45:01,650
seeing it first yeah it's you know I I

991
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,080
flew down to Las Vegas and had the

992
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:06,480
opportunity to meet with mr. Bigelow and

993
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:10,950
and you know we we really primarily

994
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,890
discussed the the historical record

995
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:15,720
relative to the property and I asked

996
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:19,800
both he and dr. Kong Kelleher who served

997
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,990
as chief scientist over the property for

998
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,119
a number of years I said hey you know is

999
00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:27,300
there reality to to these reports I mean

1000
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:29,340
is that which is reported in George

1001
00:45:35,330 --> 00:45:32,760
Knapp and Kong Kelleher's book based in

1002
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:35,340
truth I mean did those events actually

1003
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:37,470
happen or were there certain creative

1004
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:39,990
liberties taken and you know they sat

1005
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:44,190
there you know totally sober and serious

1006
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:47,310
and stated yes you know what what we

1007
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,470
experienced and what the knids team and

1008
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:51,960
later the bass team experienced on the

1009
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,880
property it was absolutely real

1010
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:56,400
and and I said well are you willing to

1011
00:46:02,599 --> 00:45:58,650
share the documentation a lot of that

1012
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:02,609
evidence and could we could we have that

1013
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:05,190
as part of the transfer of ownership you

1014
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,250
know the the passing of the torch and

1015
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:10,560
mr. Bigelow in a very respectful way

1016
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:18,000
said not only no but hell no Bob and I

1017
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:19,770
totally respected Bob said look there

1018
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:21,390
are certain things that are classified

1019
00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:24,980
that that I don't have the ability to

1020
00:46:31,099 --> 00:46:28,700
turn over because it was part of a

1021
00:46:33,859 --> 00:46:31,109
government funded effort and there are

1022
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:33,869
other things that I'm frankly keeping

1023
00:46:40,310 --> 00:46:37,050
you know private and you know we wish

1024
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:40,320
you the best mr. fugle but you know

1025
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,350
you're you're in essence on your own and

1026
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:46,140
I totally expected that I I did not have

1027
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:47,970
any negative feelings I didn't have a

1028
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:50,730
negative experience dealing with that

1029
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:53,070
mr. Bigelow or members of the team in

1030
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:54,770
fact I found them to be very

1031
00:47:00,590 --> 00:47:00,000
professional accommodating and I've had

1032
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:00,600
the pleasure

1033
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:03,960
of enjoying you know a I think a

1034
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:06,060
friendship and a continued association

1035
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:08,970
at least from afar that that remained

1036
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:12,150
warm and healthy no I I I have no

1037
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,180
criticism we had the previous team in

1038
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:18,560
their effort just a quick follow-up I

1039
00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:21,210
know you've had a chance to meet with

1040
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:22,620
several of the people who who had

1041
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,030
previously previously spent time on the

1042
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:26,880
ranch and were associated with with

1043
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:30,060
Bigelow's research team and I was

1044
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:31,140
thinking because I know you were

1045
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:32,520
recently you recently did an interview

1046
00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:35,850
with erica luke's and you know she was

1047
00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:38,070
talking about you know rumors and

1048
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,950
speculation possibility of testing of of

1049
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,440
non-lethal weapons on or near the ranch

1050
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:47,040
and that that led me to want to ask you

1051
00:47:53,780 --> 00:47:49,830
if you'd had a chance to speak with john

1052
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,790
alexander at all you know i've had one

1053
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:55,980
conversation brief conversation with

1054
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:57,930
john alexander and it was after this

1055
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:01,920
show aired i I didn't really have any

1056
00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:04,110
interaction with him at all

1057
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:06,780
not via email or anything else it was

1058
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,090
with others that had been involved with

1059
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,480
with the Bigelow team and so I you know

1060
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:14,670
I still have yet to meet John Alexander

1061
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:17,910
or really really have an in-depth

1062
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:20,520
conversation relative to his insight or

1063
00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:22,740
experiences or perspective regarding the

1064
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:24,990
ranch okay the reason yeah the reason I

1065
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:26,490
thought him obviously is his his

1066
00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:28,950
military career was spent focused on

1067
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,070
non-lethal weapons and you know and he

1068
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:35,160
spent a lot of time on the ranch and one

1069
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,210
would think that somebody who

1070
00:48:39,710 --> 00:48:37,920
specialized in non-lethal weapons would

1071
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:39,720
be aware if you know that type of thing

1072
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,010
was on the rancher of what he was

1073
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:43,140
experiencing on the ranch had something

1074
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:45,120
to do potentially with non-lethal

1075
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:47,340
weapons so interesting conversation to

1076
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:49,020
have but John Alexander is a great guy

1077
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:51,570
great translation with that guy so if

1078
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:53,270
you get a chance I highly recommend it

1079
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:57,300
no I'm only on fan yeah the brief the

1080
00:49:01,460 --> 00:48:59,010
brief interaction that I've had was very

1081
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:01,470
positive and again have great respect

1082
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,450
for him and the others that the

1083
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:06,300
conducted research before you know I

1084
00:49:12,290 --> 00:49:08,520
when I acquired the property and ever

1085
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:12,300
since I have been very vocal in stating

1086
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:14,520
that I have I've seen know Evan

1087
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:20,030
of any real advanced you know program

1088
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:23,430
that predates you know my ownership of

1089
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,530
the property I mean when I acquired the

1090
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,880
property there wasn't even a

1091
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,670
sophisticated gated entrance with the

1092
00:49:33,490 --> 00:49:31,980
guard shack I mean I you know we we've

1093
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:33,500
we've enhanced the fiber-optic

1094
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:36,290
infrastructure we brought in new power

1095
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:40,920
you know I think you know we've taken it

1096
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:42,090
to a whole new level

1097
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,930
it the place let's just say I see zero

1098
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,720
evidence of anything of that nature ever

1099
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:51,119
occurring or being conducted on the

1100
00:49:57,740 --> 00:49:55,470
property predating me sure or even and

1101
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:57,750
of course we'd have nothing to do with

1102
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,580
anything of that nature I I've never

1103
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:01,740
been part of a government program in my

1104
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,440
life I'm just a an entrepreneurial a

1105
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:06,660
private individual life I've never held

1106
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:09,480
a security clearance and you know the

1107
00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:12,180
sorts of thing I've I've I've had as far

1108
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,070
as interaction with these these types of

1109
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:18,480
groups is I've had the privilege of

1110
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:21,960
working on the Falcon Hill aerospace and

1111
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:23,880
research park up at Hill Air Force Base

1112
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:26,490
and you know we've we've been building

1113
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:29,310
really I think the premier aerospace

1114
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:31,050
research park in the country

1115
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:33,780
and worked with Northrop Grumman and

1116
00:50:40,550 --> 00:50:38,490
Lockheed BAE and a host of others but it

1117
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,560
has been purely private sector or

1118
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:42,800
commercial real estate oriented work

1119
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:45,270
well I'm sure the government has a file

1120
00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:57,050
six-inch oh yeah well they're learning a

1121
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:03,320
TJ you want to jump to Facebook

1122
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,850
questions yeah and it's just let's plow

1123
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:07,380
through these here this is from Facebook

1124
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:11,760
someone named Det a date data I would

1125
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,650
like to know how long mr. fuel has been

1126
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:15,359
interested in skinwalker ranch and how

1127
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:18,150
he first became aware aware it

1128
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:20,490
she loves the show and the whole crew

1129
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:22,650
looking forward to season two good

1130
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,380
question I picked up the book hunt for

1131
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:27,420
the skinwalker at Barnes and Noble

1132
00:51:31,099 --> 00:51:27,900
Rob

1133
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:31,109
a decade or more a lot or longer ago I

1134
00:51:37,339 --> 00:51:34,920
read it quickly in a weekend and found

1135
00:51:38,839 --> 00:51:37,349
it interesting and then I put it on the

1136
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:38,849
shelf and really didn't think about it

1137
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:43,730
until I was approached mid year 2015

1138
00:51:49,329 --> 00:51:47,609
bye-bye you know one individual but

1139
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,339
really several individuals ultimately

1140
00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:51,960
that made the introduction to mr.

1141
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,119
Bigelow and really asked asked me if I

1142
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:57,839
would be interested in in potentially

1143
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,170
taking forward the the research that had

1144
00:52:05,779 --> 00:52:03,599
been conducted on the property so I had

1145
00:52:09,859 --> 00:52:05,789
very little exposure to the property or

1146
00:52:14,299 --> 00:52:09,869
interest until until I you know I was

1147
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:14,309
approached in 2015 by science advisors

1148
00:52:19,279 --> 00:52:16,529
to mr. Bigelow that I had worked with on

1149
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:19,289
a previous project and had built a

1150
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:21,240
relationship of trust with years before

1151
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:23,250
so I was actually gonna ask you that so

1152
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:25,049
why would they pick you to ask like

1153
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:28,049
randomly hey this property but no if you

1154
00:52:35,269 --> 00:52:31,049
worked with them yeah yeah so I had

1155
00:52:39,019 --> 00:52:35,279
funded and helped lead a an effort a

1156
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:39,029
decade ago involved with gravitational

1157
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:41,510
physics theory you know testing various

1158
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:46,200
theories and and you know the science

1159
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,359
advisors that were involved with that

1160
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:50,640
effort unbeknownst to me at the time

1161
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,720
were also involved with mr. Bigelow and

1162
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,839
it wasn't until years later that that

1163
00:53:05,299 --> 00:53:00,119
really the introduction was made and the

1164
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,309
the the dialogue you know really came to

1165
00:53:11,690 --> 00:53:08,160
the the front as far as the opportunity

1166
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,700
with the ranch I feel like that's been a

1167
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:12,960
question has been floating around for a

1168
00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:17,670
while another one here we have this is

1169
00:53:22,339 --> 00:53:20,700
Donna asking I was curious if any of

1170
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:22,349
those is very specific actually I'm

1171
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:24,210
curious if any of these surveillance

1172
00:53:29,779 --> 00:53:26,520
cameras on the property have infrared

1173
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:29,789
capability currently yeah absolutely

1174
00:53:34,819 --> 00:53:31,650
we have many infrared cameras we have

1175
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:34,829
thermographic imaging systems night

1176
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:38,420
vision as well as just the conventional

1177
00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:41,610
surveillance capabilities we have

1178
00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:45,390
dozens of cameras positioned tracking

1179
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:48,030
all the activity in the airspace and and

1180
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:51,390
on the property now I've seen this a few

1181
00:53:55,220 --> 00:53:53,130
times

1182
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:55,230
Willie and you kind of addressed it

1183
00:54:01,400 --> 00:53:59,700
earlier but I have an add-on to this so

1184
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,410
they asked multiple people have asked

1185
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:03,720
will you allow other teams to study or

1186
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:05,070
have you determined that it's best to

1187
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:07,950
keep keep it with your own team now I

1188
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:09,210
know you've said you this is your

1189
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:11,190
hand-picked team but you know bringing

1190
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:12,740
in Travis Taylor are there plans to

1191
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:15,780
rotate those specialists out like Travis

1192
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:18,450
were there others absolutely again I

1193
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:20,130
like to take a collaborative approach

1194
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:23,810
I'm I believe that the the more

1195
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:26,760
brilliant you know minds that we bring

1196
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:29,700
to the table you know you know having a

1197
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:33,330
diversified multidisciplinary approach

1198
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:36,810
to the problem set at the ranch is going

1199
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:39,210
to ultimately help us yield results and

1200
00:54:44,180 --> 00:54:40,920
better understand what is it work and so

1201
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,190
we look forward to to inviting others

1202
00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:46,890
onto the property as appropriate I mean

1203
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:50,550
you see on the ranch on the secretive

1204
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:52,530
skinwalker ranch I think a lot of people

1205
00:54:56,900 --> 00:54:54,510
don't realize almost every episode we

1206
00:55:00,260 --> 00:54:56,910
brought a third party engineer and

1207
00:55:02,030 --> 00:55:00,270
former expert and and again I I don't

1208
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,040
understand a lot of the criticism you

1209
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:04,380
know okay well we're all the scientists

1210
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:06,980
you know why aren't you real experts in

1211
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,720
talking about we brought in I don't know

1212
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,700
three four different third party

1213
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,160
engineering firms and scientists and

1214
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:16,440
experts involved with ground-penetrating

1215
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:20,210
radar studies resist resistivity studies

1216
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:24,390
the thermographic imaging I mean you you

1217
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:26,520
look at all of the experts that we we

1218
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:28,320
attempted to bring onto the property to

1219
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:31,290
consult with the team not including you

1220
00:55:37,550 --> 00:55:33,480
know dr. Taylor and his incredible

1221
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:37,560
resume and I again with we were quite

1222
00:55:42,530 --> 00:55:40,140
proud of the the effort that we made I

1223
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:42,540
mean you look at this we have three

1224
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:45,990
scientists engaged in the property in in

1225
00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:49,140
pretty much a full-time capacity we have

1226
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:51,030
you know Eric Bard

1227
00:55:58,220 --> 00:55:55,170
who is a very accomplished in credential

1228
00:56:01,040 --> 00:55:58,230
I mean Eric barred a plasma this by

1229
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:01,050
training hold the numerous patent I mean

1230
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:02,670
he's one of the only scientists that

1231
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:04,530
I've come into contact with that can

1232
00:56:09,050 --> 00:56:06,470
actually claim that he has taken

1233
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:09,060
innovations and ideas from the idea

1234
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:11,190
stage all the way through to

1235
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,950
commercialization right oh yeah I've

1236
00:56:18,350 --> 00:56:16,020
seen over a hundred million dollar in

1237
00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:18,360
annual revenue produced just in this

1238
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:21,120
valley as a result of Eric barbs

1239
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:24,420
innovations and to have his expertise

1240
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:27,840
involved with the ranches is quite a

1241
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:29,820
privilege and then you take dr. Sagawa I

1242
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:33,680
mean Jim Sigala again very credential

1243
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:36,660
professor at the University of Rhode

1244
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:39,420
Island I've worked on so many other

1245
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:43,200
research projects and you know it is

1246
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:45,210
highly respected and acclaimed and then

1247
00:56:50,540 --> 00:56:47,580
of course you have dr. Taylor who holds

1248
00:56:54,620 --> 00:56:50,550
multiple PhDs 3 Master degrees

1249
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:54,630
if consulting with NAFTA and and a

1250
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,970
number of other agencies relative to

1251
00:57:02,930 --> 00:56:59,280
scientific endeavors and you know I

1252
00:57:06,110 --> 00:57:02,940
would be hard-pressed to find anyone in

1253
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:06,120
in the public domain with thethe

1254
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:08,850
credentials that would be willing to

1255
00:57:13,610 --> 00:57:10,770
submit themselves to this type of

1256
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:13,620
project and this type of effort and so

1257
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,690
you bring three scientists onto the

1258
00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:18,480
property coupled with a team that rain

1259
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:21,270
you know security expertise property

1260
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:22,800
management expertise and really

1261
00:57:29,810 --> 00:57:26,010
construction know-how and you really

1262
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:29,820
have a dynamic effort that that I think

1263
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:32,610
provides a solid foundation for the

1264
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:35,760
future so we look forward to enhancing

1265
00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:37,770
that team with other experts in the

1266
00:57:43,340 --> 00:57:40,950
future and being able to to continue to

1267
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:43,350
raise the bar that's awesome I'm sure

1268
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:45,960
people are gonna love to hear that so uh

1269
00:57:50,330 --> 00:57:48,390
we'll keep this is the last one and this

1270
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:50,340
is gonna play to your science your

1271
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:51,930
sci-fi background here a little bit you

1272
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:52,860
know as you're sitting next to

1273
00:57:59,330 --> 00:57:57,000
Terminator head so someone asks or

1274
00:58:01,070 --> 00:57:59,340
Carolyn asks you know what experiments

1275
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:01,080
are you wanting to see next season now I

1276
00:58:04,550 --> 00:58:02,370
know you touch them at the end of the

1277
00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:04,560
last that last episode going around the

1278
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,630
you know the room but since then has

1279
00:58:08,570 --> 00:58:08,280
anything like all you saw a movie you're

1280
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:08,580
like

1281
00:58:12,050 --> 00:58:10,560
we should try to do that or something

1282
00:58:13,310 --> 00:58:12,060
like that Eric what do you think about

1283
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,320
that how do you whip up something the

1284
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:15,480
you know that kind of experiment like I

1285
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,160
see you thinking out of like you know

1286
00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:19,440
out of the box they're good question I I

1287
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:21,390
think you know what we're trying to get

1288
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:23,250
to the bottom of what is it work here

1289
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:26,490
what is the origin the agenda and also

1290
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:30,780
what type of repeatable you know whether

1291
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:33,570
it be electromagnetic fingerprints or

1292
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:35,400
signatures attend to these various

1293
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:37,830
activities I mean you look at the the

1294
00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:39,450
season finale and you look at the

1295
00:58:45,590 --> 00:58:43,080
incident with the cow it wasn't the fact

1296
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:45,600
that you we we happen to see a UFO on

1297
00:58:52,310 --> 00:58:48,300
the surveillance footage that appeared

1298
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:52,320
in tandem with the cow dying that was

1299
00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:54,090
most interesting what I found most

1300
00:58:58,820 --> 00:58:56,430
interesting was the fact that we had

1301
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:58,830
other correlated incidents what are the

1302
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:00,900
chances what is this what is the

1303
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:03,390
statistical probability that you're

1304
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:05,970
going to pick up gamma radiation you

1305
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:08,370
know microwave energy surrounding this

1306
00:59:12,110 --> 00:59:10,260
cow out in the middle of nowhere you're

1307
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:12,120
going to have multiple smart phones

1308
00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:14,130
malfunctioning with completely different

1309
00:59:19,790 --> 00:59:16,220
operating systems you've got one guy

1310
00:59:22,900 --> 00:59:19,800
Caleb that has an iPhone and then you

1311
00:59:26,330 --> 00:59:22,910
have Thomas Winterton that has a a

1312
00:59:28,580 --> 00:59:26,340
samsung galaxy you have all of these

1313
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:28,590
these anomalies that are happening

1314
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,740
simultaneously you have the heard all of

1315
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:33,900
the other cattle but for some mysterious

1316
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:36,510
reason ended up moving to the complete

1317
00:59:41,090 --> 00:59:39,240
opposite side of the ranch and we're in

1318
00:59:44,090 --> 00:59:41,100
it we're in an area that they had never

1319
00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:44,100
ventured to before and then following

1320
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:46,560
all of these incidents after recording

1321
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:49,770
all of this this data and and logging

1322
00:59:59,120 --> 00:59:52,050
all of these observations what happens

1323
01:00:02,210 --> 00:59:59,130
to the carcass of the cow this day the

1324
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:02,220
carcass the remains of this cow remain

1325
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,880
untouched no figures have touched it it

1326
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:08,460
still sits out there essentially fully

1327
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:13,230
intact explain explain what what is the

1328
01:00:17,180 --> 01:00:15,210
statistical probability that you would

1329
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:17,190
see all of these events occur

1330
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:21,090
simultaneously with this event and I

1331
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,170
think that

1332
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,480
you know I I hear criticism from

1333
01:00:30,020 --> 01:00:26,760
skeptics like Nick West who says oh

1334
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:30,030
that's a fly and I'm like okay well

1335
01:00:34,100 --> 01:00:32,610
notwithstanding the fact that you may

1336
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:34,110
think that that's a flier there may be

1337
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,210
some type of prosaic mundane explanation

1338
01:00:40,070 --> 01:00:37,920
for what you're seeing that you're

1339
01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:40,080
you're just observing an artifact on the

1340
01:00:44,510 --> 01:00:42,300
video how do you explain all the other

1341
01:00:46,790 --> 01:00:44,520
anomalies how do you explain all of the

1342
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,800
other high strangeness that attended

1343
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:50,160
that activity in that event good luck I

1344
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:52,740
mean one businessman but you know in

1345
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:55,080
business you know we work for you know

1346
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:56,850
we look for results bottom-line results

1347
01:01:02,900 --> 01:00:59,640
but we also look at all of the other

1348
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:02,910
data that were accumulating you know

1349
01:01:06,110 --> 01:01:04,920
when when when really investigating

1350
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,120
something like this they're really

1351
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:08,880
tackling a problem and when you see so

1352
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:12,690
many correlating events it really begs a

1353
01:01:17,540 --> 01:01:14,790
question what is really at work and I

1354
01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:17,550
think it's interesting that seems to get

1355
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:19,140
you know be what gets your mind going

1356
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:20,550
you you know you kind of understand

1357
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:22,020
yourself not just a businessman you have

1358
01:01:25,850 --> 01:01:24,210
a friggin Terminator skull on your desk

1359
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:25,860
you're a businessman with a Terminator

1360
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:29,010
skull on hey we don't know whether time

1361
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:30,780
travel may be involved with the

1362
01:01:36,020 --> 01:01:33,330
phenomenon the property and maybe time

1363
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:36,030
travel it may be multi-dimensional it

1364
01:01:40,610 --> 01:01:38,280
may be extraterrestrial I think that

1365
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,620
what we're witnessing is all of the

1366
01:01:45,110 --> 01:01:42,960
above I think that it is not easily

1367
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:45,120
categorized and I do I do not believe

1368
01:01:49,790 --> 01:01:46,890
that there is one point of origin or

1369
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:49,800
agenda afoot here I think that there are

1370
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:52,980
multiple agendas multiple points of

1371
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:56,970
origin and frankly multiple causes to to

1372
01:02:01,130 --> 01:01:58,380
what we're observing on the ranch and

1373
01:02:03,650 --> 01:02:01,140
for whatever reason the ranch seems to

1374
01:02:05,230 --> 01:02:03,660
be situated in a place that allows for

1375
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:05,240
these type of interactions to occur

1376
01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:07,770
whether it be you know if you if you're

1377
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,120
looking at it from a spiritual

1378
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,000
standpoint and you stay that you know

1379
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:14,220
the veil between this world and the

1380
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:16,650
spiritual realms is thin for whatever

1381
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:18,090
reason or whether there are other

1382
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:20,940
dimensions or wormholes that allow for

1383
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:23,850
various phenomena to to appear and

1384
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:26,850
disappear instantaneously I mean what

1385
01:02:32,090 --> 01:02:28,710
I've observed with my own eyes on the

1386
01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:32,100
property defies all conventional or

1387
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:35,550
natural explanation and I I'd never seen

1388
01:02:38,210 --> 01:02:35,849
any

1389
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:38,220
like this before owning the property I

1390
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:39,720
thought the property as a healthy

1391
01:02:45,499 --> 01:02:42,839
skeptic I honestly believed that there

1392
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:45,509
would be a natural explanation most

1393
01:02:50,479 --> 01:02:48,059
likely behind what had been recorded and

1394
01:02:53,299 --> 01:02:50,489
I I figured that those who had claimed

1395
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:53,309
to have had experienced this were really

1396
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:55,650
kind of the product of groupthink of

1397
01:03:04,249 --> 01:02:58,470
kind of a scientific snipe hunt up north

1398
01:03:06,380 --> 01:03:04,259
and I was wrong you know I I've had to

1399
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:06,390
help myself I've had to admit that you

1400
01:03:13,729 --> 01:03:09,900
know what there is something to this yes

1401
01:03:15,049 --> 01:03:13,739
it's not easily dismiss it means a lot

1402
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:15,059
like you have enough people out there

1403
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:16,529
saying these things credentialed people

1404
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:18,690
you know like quote-unquote serious

1405
01:03:22,370 --> 01:03:20,970
people with air quality here that are

1406
01:03:24,739 --> 01:03:22,380
saying these things and that are

1407
01:03:26,539 --> 01:03:24,749
entertaining these ideas it's not a it's

1408
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,549
not just like oh yeah it's a TV show no

1409
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:28,710
this is there something happening you're

1410
01:03:32,329 --> 01:03:29,880
going to get to the bottom of it if

1411
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:32,339
anyone is and it's been happening for

1412
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:35,880
decades if not hundreds of years if not

1413
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,059
millennia we've we've at least been able

1414
01:03:43,269 --> 01:03:41,099
to document high strangeness on the

1415
01:03:46,219 --> 01:03:43,279
property from firsthand witnesses and

1416
01:03:50,299 --> 01:03:46,229
actual credible historical accounts

1417
01:03:51,499 --> 01:03:50,309
going back to 1930 and this is this is

1418
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:51,509
great I mean hearing you talk like this

1419
01:03:55,579 --> 01:03:53,700
we could go on and on I mean we've had

1420
01:03:57,529 --> 01:03:55,589
you so long I just I can't we can't keep

1421
01:04:02,150 --> 01:03:57,539
you anymore this is terrible we're just

1422
01:04:04,009 --> 01:04:02,160
like well I I really appreciate the

1423
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:04,019
opportunity to to set the record

1424
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:08,430
straight and to frankly speak with with

1425
01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:10,859
confidence relative to the reality of

1426
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:12,569
what we're seeing out there it's Ken

1427
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,660
Walker ranch this isn't some type of you

1428
01:04:19,459 --> 01:04:17,039
know promotional stunt

1429
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:19,469
you know you know none of none of my

1430
01:04:24,499 --> 01:04:21,569
team members really wanted Fame or

1431
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:24,509
expected that they'd City any real you

1432
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:26,339
know significant compensation that would

1433
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:27,630
come from this and I think we're still

1434
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:34,670
he's always combines the courage in the

1435
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:38,940
car Wow dragon dragon will always have

1436
01:04:44,959 --> 01:04:41,400
permanent [\h__\h] that's just that's

1437
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:44,969
just part of the reality and interacting

1438
01:04:54,859 --> 01:04:51,830
right before this that I went on

1439
01:04:56,570 --> 01:04:54,869
Facebook earlier to look I want to

1440
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:56,580
delete facebook it's an awful place but

1441
01:05:00,380 --> 01:04:58,380
I went on there to look to see if there

1442
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:00,390
was any new questions before this and I

1443
01:05:04,970 --> 01:05:02,970
saw a string of women talking about

1444
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:04,980
starting a fan page for Dragon so

1445
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:07,490
apparently there's one for to office too

1446
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:12,390
so it's a table that is happening oh you

1447
01:05:17,570 --> 01:05:14,609
know my dream is not now as we as we

1448
01:05:20,420 --> 01:05:17,580
concluded season one and there may be a

1449
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:20,430
season two in our future we'll see you

1450
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,950
know my hope is you know maybe maybe at

1451
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:24,720
the very least what may come of this

1452
01:05:30,500 --> 01:05:26,850
effort is you know I'd love to see

1453
01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:30,510
something like an Adult Swim cartoon The

1454
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:32,430
Adventures of Dragon that chronicle his

1455
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:38,970
fights on the ranch yes yes you just

1456
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:49,950
opened a can of worms concept mock-ups

1457
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:53,190
for that no no no you guys are really

1458
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:54,660
good friends you a dragon like he's

1459
01:06:01,790 --> 01:05:56,730
never either if never gonna let him that

1460
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:01,800
down ever no no and never wanted to be

1461
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:03,090
called drag and you guys know the

1462
01:06:07,820 --> 01:06:05,640
history of that but it's funny I think I

1463
01:06:10,310 --> 01:06:07,830
think anyone who knows me who really

1464
01:06:13,810 --> 01:06:10,320
knows me understands that I'm just a 17

1465
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:13,820
year old stuck in a 47 year old body and

1466
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:16,140
you know it when it comes down to it I

1467
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:18,900
I'm the most curious of all of us when

1468
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:21,960
it comes to really you know trying to

1469
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:24,540
get to the bottom of what is bunny ranch

1470
01:06:31,370 --> 01:06:29,070
and and you know being excited by a lot

1471
01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:31,380
of what has been observed so no I've

1472
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:33,300
appreciated this opportunity to join

1473
01:06:39,820 --> 01:06:36,750
with all three you and to to have you as

1474
01:06:42,020 --> 01:06:39,830
part of our journey thank you so much

1475
01:06:44,270 --> 01:06:42,030
we're gonna keep doing this I mean this

1476
01:06:45,980 --> 01:06:44,280
is gonna keep going and obviously open

1477
01:06:48,859 --> 01:06:45,990
invitation whenever you can whatever you

1478
01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:48,869
want to maybe we communicate so you know

1479
01:06:53,150 --> 01:06:50,670
as time goes on if things keep going

1480
01:06:54,620 --> 01:06:53,160
we'll get you back out here and you know

1481
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:54,630
people love the direct communication

1482
01:06:57,859 --> 01:06:55,950
with you they love that you actually

1483
01:06:59,810 --> 01:06:57,869
participate and get involved in the

1484
01:07:02,420 --> 01:06:59,820
community and in answer questions online

1485
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:02,430
and do things like this you don't back

1486
01:07:05,030 --> 01:07:02,940
away from me

1487
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:05,040
interviews you know people have opposing

1488
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:08,609
views you're straight in you know yeah I

1489
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:10,710
have nothing to hide I have nothing to

1490
01:07:15,980 --> 01:07:13,680
hide I want I want to get to the truth

1491
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:15,990
just as much as everyone else and I and

1492
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:17,849
I welcome the opportunity to to

1493
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:20,640
collaborate and to to make this a a

1494
01:07:27,319 --> 01:07:24,510
partnership with the public in in really

1495
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:27,329
being able to to prove with with

1496
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:29,339
scientific empiricism that we're not

1497
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:31,530
alone in the universe and that there's

1498
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:33,450
more to our reality than meets the eye

1499
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,810
hey if if if the ranch investigation

1500
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:38,880
ultimately proves that we live in the

1501
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:41,849
matrix how cool would that be that's the

1502
01:07:47,329 --> 01:07:44,670
next cut I love it the simulation theory

1503
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:47,339
so that's my yeah that's my next project

1504
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:49,050
so I've been saying this for a while I'm

1505
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:50,520
constantly looking for projects and I

1506
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:51,599
feel like there's something there

1507
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:53,579
there's a simulation theory project that

1508
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,890
I gather I have to find the the experts

1509
01:08:00,109 --> 01:07:57,599
the simulation theory experts to kind of

1510
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,119
see we can do with them but Brandon

1511
01:08:03,410 --> 01:08:02,160
thank you again so much this has been

1512
01:08:07,230 --> 01:08:03,420
great appreciate it